I've just joined the list because I'm (once again) trying to switch away from thunderbird email on linux.
I installed evolution on archlinux via the pacman package manager.
My mail server has a self issued cert, and I had some trouble getting evolution to connect at all. This required continuing to re-enter the IMAP and SMTP passwords on initial account creation.
Once evolution started to sync my existing mail store to the local computer, I noticed a very troubling thing: many many emails were showing up in the Junk folder. In my existing thunderbird client configuration, I don't use the Junk folder at all. Mail deemed SPAM is moved directly to the Trash folder, which I review before emptying.
Quite a number of these emails are from deeply nested IMAP folders where I squirrel away many tens of thousands of historic emails from the last several decades.
Now, several hundred of these IMAP folder emails are deposited into the JUNK folder.
This doesn't seem like initial behavior that is intended to keep new users happy 8-(
My reading of the online docs prior to first execution indicated that Evolution used external programs to perform spam detection, and that it wouldn't be enabled by default.
What should I do to prevent Evolution from trashing my mail archives?
> > I installed evolution on archlinux via the pacman package manager.
It is more helpful if you tell us the version of Evolution you are using. For some queries the desktop you are using is also important.
> > My mail server has a self issued cert, and I had some trouble getting > evolution to connect at all. This required continuing to re-enter the > IMAP and SMTP passwords on initial account creation.
The self signed certificate should only need to be accepted once per account; that shouldn't require you to enter the password multiple times. They aren't connected as far as I know.
The passwords are stored in gnome-keyring so that needs to be running in order to not be re-prompted for passwords.
> > Once evolution started to sync my existing mail store to the local > computer, I noticed a very troubling thing: many many emails were > showing up in the Junk folder. In my existing thunderbird client > configuration, I don't use the Junk folder at all. Mail deemed SPAM > is moved directly to the Trash folder, which I review before > emptying.
How do you deem the mail to be SPAM?
> > Quite a number of these emails are from deeply nested IMAP folders > where I squirrel away many tens of thousands of historic emails from > the last several decades. > > Now, several hundred of these IMAP folder emails are deposited into > the JUNK folder.
If you have not changed the configuration at all, then the Junk folder is virtual - i.e. it shows the messages that have been marked as Junk, the messages themselves are still in their original folders, you just can't see them (View -> Show Junk messages). You can mark the messages as "Not Junk" and they will reappear and not be shown in the Junk folder.
You should be aware that Trash is also a virtual folder by default. The Trash folder shows the messages that are marked as deleted. Again, by default those deleted messages are hidden (View -> Show deleted messages). Since the Trash is virtual, there is no concept of "Move to Trash".
This can be configured on an a per account basis - i.e. the Junk and Trash can be real folders.
> > This doesn't seem like initial behavior that is intended to keep new > users happy 8-( > > My reading of the online docs prior to first execution indicated that > Evolution used external programs to perform spam detection, and that > it wouldn't be enabled by default.
Yes, but if the messages are marked as junk by something else then they will appear in the virtual Junk folder.
> > What should I do to prevent Evolution from trashing my mail archives?
Edit -> Preferences -> Mail Preferences -> Junk
Then untick the "Check incoming messages for junk" to turn off Spam checking.
John A via evolution-list <evolution-list@gnome.org>
To:evolution-list@gnome.org
Wed, Aug 18 at 10:39 AM
On 8/18/21 1:34 AM, Pete Biggs wrote: > > It is more helpful if you tell us the version of Evolution you are > using. For some queries the desktop you are using is also important. >
Thank you for your reply Pete!
I'm running: evolution 3.38.4 on a Fluxbox 1.3.7 desktop
>> >> My mail server has a self issued cert, and I had some trouble getting >> evolution to connect at all. This required continuing to re-enter the >> IMAP and SMTP passwords on initial account creation. > > The self signed certificate should only need to be accepted once per > account; that shouldn't require you to enter the password multiple > times. They aren't connected as far as I know. > > The passwords are stored in gnome-keyring so that needs to be running > in order to not be re-prompted for passwords. >
That's very helpful. Obviously, evolution is meant to run as part of gnome, and I'm on a Fluxbox desktop here. Are there any other support utilities that should be running?
>> >> Once evolution started to sync my existing mail store to the local >> computer, I noticed a very troubling thing: many many emails were >> showing up in the Junk folder. In my existing thunderbird client >> configuration, I don't use the Junk folder at all. Mail deemed SPAM >> is moved directly to the Trash folder, which I review before >> emptying. > > How do you deem the mail to be SPAM? >
I saw the emails in the Junk folder, not in evolution, but in thunderbird running on a different machine.
All the messages in the Junk folder had the SPAM flag set.
There are other email clients running on the same IMAP account: K-9 on android, thunderbird on an old machine (won't be replaced), thunderbird locally (hope to replace).
When I first started and configured the IMAP account on evolution locally, it had quite a bit of downloading to do. It was during this initial IMAP download that certain mail was flagged as SPAM and appeared in the Junk folder of all the running clients.
No other mail clients are configured to use the "Junk" folder at all. Only thunderbird on the old machine has SPAM detection enabled, and it moves any mail designated as SPAM to the Trash folder, not to Junk. This machine also does other mail filtering, such as putting this message in an "evolution" folder. I intend to eventually replace this with server side sieve and SPAM detection, but that is another project.
>> >> Quite a number of these emails are from deeply nested IMAP folders >> where I squirrel away many tens of thousands of historic emails from >> the last several decades. >> >> Now, several hundred of these IMAP folder emails are deposited into >> the JUNK folder. > > If you have not changed the configuration at all, then the Junk folder > is virtual - i.e. it shows the messages that have been marked as Junk, > the messages themselves are still in their original folders, you just > can't see them (View -> Show Junk messages). You can mark the messages > as "Not Junk" and they will reappear and not be shown in the Junk > folder. > > You should be aware that Trash is also a virtual folder by default. The > Trash folder shows the messages that are marked as deleted. Again, by > default those deleted messages are hidden (View -> Show deleted > messages). Since the Trash is virtual, there is no concept of "Move to > Trash". > > This can be configured on an a per account basis - i.e. the Junk and > Trash can be real folders. >
How will evolution interact with other clients on the same IMAP account? How will any other client recognize a "virtual" folder?
Is there some way to set these options on a newly configured evolution before it starts creating virtual copies of things?
What are these "virtual copies"? When I search I see "saved search" "virtual folders" for thunderbird, and "shared virtual folders" for courier-imap (courier is the IMAP server here), and "virtual directories" for dovecot. Are any of these related to evolution's "virtual folders"?
>> >> This doesn't seem like initial behavior that is intended to keep new >> users happy 8-( >> >> My reading of the online docs prior to first execution indicated that >> Evolution used external programs to perform spam detection, and that >> it wouldn't be enabled by default. > > Yes, but if the messages are marked as junk by something else then they > will appear in the virtual Junk folder. >
All of the messages seen in Junk where pre-existing in filtered IMAP folders, not marked as SPAM.
These weren't incoming messages, but messages filtered into folders long ago.
>> >> What should I do to prevent Evolution from trashing my mail archives? > > Edit -> Preferences -> Mail Preferences -> Junk > > Then untick the "Check incoming messages for junk" to turn off Spam > checking. > > > P. >
Thanks so much for your help and insight!
John A San Diego CA 2021-08-18
Patrick O'Callaghan <poc@usb.ve>
To:evolution-list@gnome.org
Wed, Aug 18 at 11:23 AM
On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 07:39 -0700, John A via evolution-list wrote: > > The passwords are stored in gnome-keyring so that needs to be > > running > > in order to not be re-prompted for passwords. > > > > That's very helpful. Obviously, evolution is meant to run as part of > gnome, and I'm on a Fluxbox desktop here. Are there any other support > utilities that should be running?
I run Evolution under KDE/Plasma. Gnome-keyring-d handles authentication, but IIRC Evo will start it automatically. You may need to register your passwords in the database using seahorse.
poc
Ángel <angel@16bits.net>
To:evolution-list@gnome.org
Wed, Aug 18 at 1:08 PM
On 2021-08-18 at 07:39 -0700, John A via evolution-list wrote: > > You should be aware that Trash is also a virtual folder by default. > > The Trash folder shows the messages that are marked as deleted. > > Again, by default those deleted messages are hidden (View -> Show > > deleted messages). Since the Trash is virtual, there is no concept > > of "Move to Trash". > > > > This can be configured on an a per account basis - i.e. the Junk > > and Trash can be real folders. > > > > How will evolution interact with other clients on the same IMAP > account? How will any other client recognize a "virtual" folder? > > Is there some way to set these options on a newly configured > evolution before it starts creating virtual copies of things? > > What are these "virtual copies"? When I search I see "saved search" > "virtual folders" for thunderbird, and "shared virtual folders" for > courier-imap (courier is the IMAP server here), and "virtual > directories" for dovecot. Are any of these related to evolution's > "virtual folders"?
No. Virtual folders in evolution are just searches, shown as a folder. They are local to evolution, other clients won't know about them (and in fact, you can have a virtual folder spanning several accounts). Since you saw the changes in the other clients, it seems you are using them as real folders.
Wed, Aug 18 at 4:34 AM
Wed, Aug 18 at 10:39 AMOn 8/18/21 1:34 AM, Pete Biggs wrote:
Wed, Aug 18 at 11:23 AMOn Wed, 2021-08-18 at 07:39 -0700, John A via evolution-list wrote:
Wed, Aug 18 at 1:08 PMOn 2021-08-18 at 07:39 -0700, John A via evolution-list wrote:
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